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#1 2011-10-10 20:55:56

johneager
Moderator

Democracy - Refusing the Vote

In two recent votes at Ledbury Town Council (both regarding the Tesco planning application) councilors who abstained outnumbered those who voted either for or against the proposal.

Our three ward councilors said they abstained so that they could vote at Herefordshire Council on the same issues. However, it has since been announced that none of these ward councilors can vote at Herefordshire Council on these issues.

They are sitting on two councils and cannot act on either in what is a very important planning decision. Bizarre!

As for the other abstaining councilors, are they not on the council to have a view? They all did what councilor Eager did - they refused to vote. That's what abstaining means. To refrain from doing something. To refuse.

What is the point of the democratic process, if those involved can't or won't take part in it?

 

#2 2011-10-13 23:36:21

Fugazi
Member

Re: Democracy - Refusing the Vote

To be honest John, a growing number of people are less concerned with the councillors who did not vote but with the way the LOTS delegation managed to "steer" the meeting to include their report .. this now has been adopted by the council as their reasons for refusing the Tesco's application without them even reading it in full, I have to wonder if this is a breech of the Herefordshire Code of Conduct for Councillors specifically the following -
'Personal judgement – members may take account of the views of others, including their political groups, but should reach their own conclusions on the issues before them and act in accordance with those conclusions'

I would say adopting wholesale the LOTS report is far more than taking into account the views of others. I'd also wonder if it breeches another of the conduct codes -
'Honesty and integrity – members should not place themselves in situations where their honesty and integrity may be questioned, should not behave improperly, and should on all occasions avoid the appearance of such behaviour.'

Sometimes this council does begger belief.

 

#3 2011-10-28 13:04:16

johneager
Moderator

Re: Democracy - Refusing the Vote

At last night's meeting councilor Martin Eager complained to council that the minutes of the meeting in which he refused to vote did not reflect his intentions. The minutes showed the councilor having 'abstained' whilst the councilor said he did not abstain, he refused to vote.

The clerk to the council told councilor Eager refusing to vote was the same as abstaining.

This is what I said on these pages two weeks ago.

It seems to me that councilors are too ready to abstain and find it an easy option. Why be a councilor and refuse to vote? If you cannot form an opinion why are you sitting on the council?

Should abstainers be pressured to explain why they are refusing to vote?

Councilor Eager did explain his refusal, but his objections were not noted in the minutes.

Should the minutes of these meetings be more accurate? If a councilor is making a principled objection, even if the rest of the council and the chair ignore him, shouldn't this be reflected in the minutes?

 

#4 2011-10-29 00:19:29

Fugazi
Member

Re: Democracy - Refusing the Vote

I always thought the minutes of a meeting had to be a "true" reflection of the meeting with that in mind I would have thought that councilor Eagers decision to refuse to vote and the reason why should be recorded per se. Still waiting for a reply on my question as to whether the council breeched Herefordshire Code of Conduct for Councillors, I won't be holding my breath waiting for an answer.

 

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